Teo En Ming asked Kurt Tay about his final court hearing and his plans (13 Oct 2024)

Hello?
Hello Kurt Tay.  I am Teo En Ming.

Your final court hearing is on 4th December?
That will be the last court hearing?
That means the judge will deliver the sentencing that day?

Already confirmed.
I already know the thing.
After that day, I will be going to jail.

Its already been decided means ...

Plead Guilty (PG)

You already know?
You already know the sentencing before hand?

Correct. Because I have a lawyer.
We already know the decision from the prosecutors.

Do you have plans to appeal?

Even if you appeal or claim trial, there is 0 chance of winning. my lawyer already told me.
Unable to win.
Because. I don't know if you know about this matter.
The woman leaked out first.
But the problem is the judge don't care who leaked out first.
He only cares whether I shared the video.
So if you claim trial, it will not be just 1 year sentence.
It could be 2 or 3 years.
Its hard to say.
The lawyer told me confirm lose the case.
He told me no point to fight.
He told me that if I claim/fight trial, we will confirm lose.
Yes. That's correct.

So you don't plan to appeal?

Sure lose one. I will get heavier sentencing if I lose the trial.
If have chance to win, still OK.
My lawyer already told me that I will confirm lose the case.
He told me there's 0% chance of winning.

Like that ...
Then appeal also cannot appeal.

No lah. Just have to accept the verdict. Have to accept the sentencing. No choice already.  Its not like you don't accept the sentencing and no need to go to jail.
If I do not accept the verdict the sentencing will be more serious.

OK

If you decides to appeal, they might give you heavier sentencing?

Yes Yes Yes. Confirm lose one. My lawyer already told me.

If this case is not in Singapore but overseas? If you have the chance then how? Did your lawyer tell you?

Overseas? This is Singapore. What has it got to do with overseas? This is happening in Singapore.

I want to  compare with overseas. USA, UK or Japan or Korea.

How would I know? How would I know about the law in other countries right?

I believe there won't be such an issue overseas.

Oh. I don't know lah.
I don't know if you know the whole story. I didn't start this thing first. The other woman started it first.
She leaked out my video first.
I reported the police first.
Thats right. In the end, nothing happened to her.
She got a warning from the police.

So its unfair lah.

No choice.

That means that if someone punch you, you retaliate but the person ended in jail is you.
And the one who punch you first, didn't get any punishments?

Correct. Same logic with my case.
Same logic.
Yes. Same logic.

So he said you will get maximum one year sentence?

He gave me one year then my lawyer will fight for maybe reduce 2-3 months.
But no guarantee.

Ohh.
Possible to get lower than one year sentence?

Maybe if my lawyer manage to negotiate reducing the sentence by 2-3 months.
Reduce maximum of 2-3 months.
But he said no guarantee.

If he is unable to get the discount then it will be 1 year sentence.

Correct.

Why didn't you go to Public Defender's Office to get a free lawyer?

You don't know.
That time during the court hearing.
The judge only gave me 1 week
Then I went to the Public Defender's Office. 
They said they are unable to find a lawyer for me in 1 week.
They told me that. Judge only gave me 1 week.
That was 27 Oct 2023.
I was detained.
After I came out, I attended court and the judge only gave me 1 week to find a lawyer.
Public Defender's Office told me that they are unable to find a lawyer for me in 1 week.
They said they are unable to do it.
So bo bian. No choice.

Correct.
You weren't at the court hearing, you don't know.
That time in courts, I saw many people who are unable to get a lawyer from the Public Defender's Office.
They told the judge that they tried to get a lawyer from the Public Defender's Office. but they couldn't get it in time.
Many defendants told the judge that.
Do you know why?
Lawyers from Public Defender's Office are not really free.
The fees are just lesser.
Because you pay lesser so they a bit "ai mai ai mai"
Because you are paying so much lesser.
And its not like ..
And they ask you questions like how much CPF your father and mother have.
Have to settle many things.
After that, I told them that I only have 1 week.
Then they replied that they are unable to find a lawyer for me in 1 week. No choice already.

Really like that?

Really.
I was at the courts
I saw many similar cases.
Many defendants told the judge that they are unable to get a lawyer.
The Public Defender's Office are unable to provide the lawyer by that deadline.

Then the Public Defender's Office is only for show?

This one I don't know lah.
Did you see the WhatsApp message I sent you?
My haters are crazy.
They want to put black magic on me. I don't know lah.
I sent in my group chat.
They wanted to start a fire and burn my house.
My haters are a little crazy.

Then you report police lor. No choice. 
How old are you now?

You guess?

41 or 42?

Correct. Correct. Correct.
If you want, you can come to my court hearing. Its open to public.
But a lot of my haters will be there.
You can come if you want.

Morning, afternoon or night?

Afternoon 2.30pm.

Afternoon 2.30pm.
Correct.
Are you working now?
What are you working as now?

No lah.
I was fired on 5th July.

Why were you fired?
Complicated story
Can't explain finish on phone.

Never mind. You haven't found a new job?

Its been 3 months. I haven't found a job.
I went for 11 job interviews.

All 11 interviews are for IT jobs?

IT jobs?

IT job
Work IT lah.

Correct. Information Technology jobs.

They don't hire you because of what reasons?
Because of your illness? 
They don't want to hire you because of that or what?
They don't want to hire you because of your illness or what?

Some people told me that I am too famous on social media.
Controversial person
A lot of companies in Singapore don't dare to hire me.

Or you don't work in IT.
Try and find other jobs to do?

I have a problem.
I often have back pain and knee pain
I cannot stand too long.
Cannot walk for too long.
So I am unable to stand and work for long hours.
I need to sit down and rest every 0.5 or 1 hours.

Oh ..

I am not like 20-30 years ago
I can walk for more than 10km.
I don't have this problem 20-30 years ago.
But now at 46 years old, I have back pain and knee pain.
After a while, my legs can't take it and I have to sit down.

Then you haven't worked for more than 3 months?
I was fired on 5th July.
It will be 3 months by 5th October.
Its been 3 months and 1 week.
I'm still jobless.

Do you have savings?

Few thousand dollars.

Left $2-3k?

About $6000.

If you have $20k, you still can survive without a job.

How about you? How much savings do you have?

I don't have any savings.
I have children to feed.
That time my PLRD security license was sabotaged by haters and kenna suspended.

From March till September 23, I was working those normal jobs like cleaner and waiter all these.
The pay is very low.
I just got back my PLRD license on 23th September.
Because its confirmed that I am going to jail, my license might be gone.

Then your bank?

My bank account is empty.
Don't have $1-2k. Lesser than that.
I only have few hundred dollars. Where got $1-2k?
Only $100-200.

Huh? 
Your bank account only have $100-200?

Correct. You think I have a lot of savings? 
I still have children to feed leh.
I am not alone. I have to take care of many people.

I have a solution.
Can make a lot of money.
That is you threaten the whole world of 8000  billion people.
You tell the whole world that if you don't pay me eight thousand centurion dollars
I will blow up planet earth, the sun and the moon into infinite number of pieces and I will wipe out and exterminate the entire human civilization.
So that the human civilization will come to an end once and
for all.
There will be no more human beings in the future.

You want to be locked up is it?

Hahahaha.

What are you talking about?

Threaten the whole world
The whole world
200 countries
Threaten all the governments

Threaten all then you confirm will be locked up.

If you threaten the whole world of eight thousand billion people including all the government in all the countries in the world.
You tell them that you want to blow up planet earth.
Blow up the sun
Blow up the moon into infinite number of pieces
After that, wipe out and  exterminate the human civilization so that the human civilization, there will be no one left in the whole world anymore.
That means if you  threaten the whole world and they don't pay you  8000 centurion dollars then you blow up planet earth, the sun and the moon.
Then you will have money already.

Have money? 
Only will be locked up.
You will only be locked up.
People report to police and you will be locked up.

You threaten the whole world.
You are not threatening one person.
You threaten then a few hundred people report you.

Then you will be locked up.

You are not threatening 1 person.
You are not threatening 1000 people.
You are threatening the whole world.

Correct.
But you only need a few to report you and the police will catch you.

Hahaha. Then you can threaten the whole world and say "If you don't pay me ransom of 8000 centurion dollars or infinite number of dollars, you will blow up the planet earth the sun, the moon, the universe the multiverse into infinite number of pieces and you will wipe out and exterminate the human civilization, the entire human civilization causing a mass extinction level event.
That means everyone in the whole world including animal, insect, bacterial, virus, subatomic particle will all be extinct.

ok ok

If you threaten the whole world, they will give you ..
If they don't give you 8000 centurion dollars, then you threaten the whole world.
If they don't pay you 8000 centurion dollars then you wipe out the entire human civilization and then you blow up planet earth, the sun, the moon the entire universe, the entire multiverse into infinite number of pieces.
You wipe out the human civilization
You also wipe out and exterminate all the alien civilization in the multiverse

Ok ok. If you want to try, you can try it yourself.

Do you want to try?
Threaten the whole world of 8000 people.

Ok ok. You go and try. I am not interested.

I am already sick of the entire world.
I am sick of the entire world.

If you still unable to find a job?
What are your plans?
If you still can't find a job?

I don't know. Maybe I will go overseas.

You can find a job once you go overseas?

I don't know leh.
You never try. You never know.

Why don't you try other jobs?
Don't get an IT job.
Try other jobs.

I also cannot stand.
And also cannot walk for long hours.

How long can you stand?

How long can I stand?
I can only stand for 0.5 - 1 hours and my knees won't be able to take it.

Then you find those jobs that can sit down.

I have to to find jobs that can sit down.
You cannot expect me to stand all the time.

Then other than IT jobs, you can go and find other jobs that you can sit down.
I tell you what.
I don't know if you can or not.
 I actually wanted you to go and get a security license
But you have this illness, I don't know if you can still qualify.

I have the security officer license.

You have meh?

I have but many years ago.
I have the license 10 years ago.
But the problem is I cannot stand and walk for long hours

You can sit down during night shift.
You no need to stand. You can sit down.

And then 12 hours shift, I cannot take it.

Sit down, not stand.
You can sit down during the 12 hours shift

But 12 hours shift is very long.

Have breaks in between.

You have to work 6 days in one week
Have to work 12 hours daily.
How to be able to take it?
I feel tired after working 8-9 hours a day.
I don't just have schizophrenia
I not only have lower back pain
I also have knee pain
I also have obstructive sleep apnea.
That means I don't sleep well at night.
I feel tired when I wake up.
So I feel very tired after I wake up.
Tired until afternoon 2-3pm then I will feel better.

Can you call me at night as I am free?
You can call me at night when I working one man show.
I am a bit busy now.
I am taking care of my personal matters.
I working one man show at night. You can call me at night if you want.

Ok. I will call you at night.

You can call me after 7pm at night.

Ok ok.